Yo, Chris....

[Mike Lohmann]

Brush it off, mate. There isnt a single person still attending Vamp that has done even a fraction of the work and sacrifice that you have put into the game. Maybe they forgot who the fuck they are talking too.

Maybe you get a bit moody, but from what I am hearing from MANY sources... the game has fallen to shit. Too much time and too many new folks and too much handing the game from hands to hands. Too much OOC drama, too much IC bullshit with cheating and metagaming. I hear about it all, all of the time.

Dont even sweat this shit. You have more than earned your right to voice anything you want to, about the game. Anyone that thinks or says different, needs to get their brain checked. Most of this hate they are throwing at you is defense mechanisms. Everyone knows the truth, but they will always hate on whoever arks up and speaks it. It is the way of the world.

Brush those shoulders off, and just say "Fuck'em". Haters are always gunna hate.

[Webmonkey]

Lol. Thanks playa. Not drinking the H8erade.

[Mike Lohmann]

This is what happens, when they all come together....

www.pp2g.tv/vZnB6Y3c_.aspx

[satyavati]

Mike I think you misunderstand. No one is arguing that Chris does a lot for the game.

It is the way he treats people and his entitlement issues that quite a few people have issues with. But, he doesn't want to listen when people actually talk to him about it, so when they finally get mad enough at his behavior, he plays the victim "look it how mean so-and-so is to me!" card.

Sacrifice and hard work does not give anyone the right to treat people the way he does. No one has "singled him out" he has singled himself out by his actions towards others.

And as of this I am done with this pity party making Chris feel validated for being a jerk.

This is not his game. It is our game.

It has been here far longer than he has and will continue even if he decides to pack up his website and go home. ( Which oddly is a real fear for quite a few people. )

I'm out.

[Arielle (Ivy Clark)]

So I didn't want to wade into this. I haven't been back long, and I don't have any details beyond what I've read on the board. But I consider Chris a friend, and he's a huge reason Richard and I came back to game. And the personal attacks are just... pissing me off. So.

Dec 10, 2010 8:18:13 GMT -8 @satyavati said:

Mike I think you misunderstand. No one is arguing that Chris does a lot for the game.

It is the way he treats people and his entitlement issues that quite a few people have issues with. But, he doesn't want to listen when people actually talk to him about it, so when they finally get mad enough at his behavior, he plays the victim "look it how mean so-and-so is to me!" card.

Okay, first of all: Chris never, ever treated me this way. I've never seen him treat anyone the way that's being implied. He's been nothing but helpful and nice to both me and Richard from the first time we started Vampire, since before then even. Is he perfect? Of course not. But it doesn't seem to be some sort of constant thing the way some folks think it is.

This is a guy who helped a couple people he barely knew with character ideas and offered characters tied to his to those people. We didn't take him up on it but I always kinda wished we had. This is also a guy who drove us home, out of his way, at 6am just so we could get to and from game when we had no car. He remembered us and was happy to see us, happily brings others into RP and offers help where he can with things having to books and etc.

A jerk? Entitled? Hardly, from where I sit. Maybe there's been some strong pissiness in this matter, but from what I hear the Schetzles are justified in their frustrations, and Chris is nothing if not vocal.

This is not his game. It is our game.

It has been here far longer than he has and will continue even if he decides to pack up his website and go home. ( Which oddly is a real fear for quite a few people. )

Okay, whoa. What? For one thing, the website shit: Chris is not that guy. He is not the guy who's going to pack up his toys and leave in a fit of pique. If he ever did, I am certain he would make sure someone else took it over if they wanted. As far as I've heard he's been willing to work with ST staff he's had issues with, re: House Rules and etc. on the website. You people really think that little of him? You don't know him.

And finally, the thing that's annoying me the most... yes, it's our game. That means it's everyone's game. Unless you were here from the start and will be here to the end those words apply to you, too. And we have a great game, I know people who would do almost anything to get into a LARP this stable, with the kind of quality we have. Even what I hear Vampire has become sounds better than most of the LARPs I've heard of.

Lots of people have been part of that, and bringing up that fact, about anyone, seems like nothing more than reminding folks than hey, you know what? This person's not a jerk. This person cares about our game and wants to make it better. Maybe they butt heads but they're trying to make it better. And the folks directly on the "other side" count in this too. I don't give a shit about disagreements. It's the unfounded personal attacks that are pissing me off.

So you know... look in the mirror when you make these accusations. Stones, glass houses, etc. It's more than a little overly dramatic to come whine about "entitlement" and such and then flounce off with "I'm done with this" so, naturally, you don't have to bother to respond to any sort of rebuttal to your arguments. I don't know you, so hey, maybe this was said in frustration and isn't normal. But it still makes your argument look damn weak.

Anyway, now that that's off my chest... I have a wedding to go to. Because I'd rather enjoy the good friends I've made here than throw shit at people.

[Webmonkey]

Sweet of you to have my back lady. I appreciate it. Maybe Toni and I will have the conversation again one day about this when things are a little less raw. Right now it's pretty rough to think about some kind of easy fix. She's still sore about it, and will be so for awhile. I can relate. I spent almost a year being mad. I don't wish the same on her fo sho, but she tends to lock people out that she has disagreements with, so we'll see. I'm not actually sure if that's what has gone down here or not, and until things cool down, that'll be how it is for awhile I'd wager.

I wasn't a ticking timebomb of rage either. I'm not trying to paint that picture. I moved on. I'm still having fun at game - it's just the werewolf one at the moment. I'm going to keep doing that until I either stop having fun, or there is a character that I just can't get out of my head and need to play in Vamptown, or Jane does and I follow along, or wherever the day takes us.

The crux of the argument that Toni seems focused on seems to be: I do, and have done lots for game, and I expect lots, and I shouldn't. How much I should expect, and how much I am percieved as expecting by her and her man, and how much I should be allowed to expect, etc. etc. is in debate. She says I have entitlement issues. I say that the perception of entitlement led to me and my wife being summarily ignored, no story, no calls, no shirt, no service, which is tantemount to not actually doing the job of storyteller, lather, rinse, repeat.

So here we are. Where do we go from here? Me? Back to where I'm having fun, and back to doing what I can to support the structure of the game, because even though Toni and I don't agree on this, we both love it, and that's the facts.

- Peace

- Chrismonkey

[Arielle (Ivy Clark)]

Yeah, I get you. I just get annoyed when my friends get insulted for no reason I can discern.

Anyhow, on to fun! Fun is good.