Post by Jeff on Oct 9, 2013 8:45:25 GMT -8
So, onto the disagreement between the Nosferatu Styx and the Tremere Luthias.
First, the relative levels of standing.
Primogen Styx is known as Relentless, Discerning, Cunning, Loyal, and Revered
Warmaster Luthias is known as Brave, Defender, Witch-Hunter, Feared and Truculent
The particular incident in question occurred on the night of Styx’s arrival within this domain.
According to Styx, in Tiki Tom’s Elysium Luthias threatened to cut his head off, that no one could do anything about it, and lobbied accusations of infernalism.
Luthias claims that he did indeed threaten Styx, who at the time had not yet been Acknowledged in the domain by then Prince Dario, but that he made no accusations of infernalism. Luthias challenged Styx to a duel saying that this is a traditional means of resolving dispute. I am not sure what traditions Luthias is citing, but it is not Camarilla traditions. Styx turned down the duel, and mentioned that he would not want to appoint a champion to be hurt by Luthias’s combat prowess, that he would prefer to resolve this dispute with status.
Harpy Aristat has agreed that this is a matter of a status dispute between the two individuals.
Complicating this issue is the difficulties between then Prince Dario and clan Nosferatu. As the Praxis seized by Hephaestus occurred, that would imply that Dario’s decisions in that time against clan Nosferatu were incorrect. According to Luthias, he had the Right of Destruction against unacknowledged kindred from Prince Dario, or perhaps just against Styx, I don’t have specific details on that.
A further complication is that there appears to be a history between Luthias and Styx. The last time that Styx was in the domain, according to what I have heard, Luthias and Kira Langston took him, tortured him, and sent him out of the domain. Complicating that matter at the time were reported threats by Styx against Kira, and some concerns over some personal feeding habits of Styx.
I have seen video evidence provided by Mad Tom, through the Nosferatu Moira, showing Styx and Luthias within Elysium. This evidence shows Luthias say something to the nature of “As a witch-hunter, I have to consider the possibility that anyone could be an Infernalist. Even you could be an Infernalist.” Then the threat of cutting off Styx’s head was made. I’ll let people judge for themselves if this is truly an accusation of infernalism, or just bravado.
But, as I have heard opinion from Mad Tom, such a threat made in Elysium is outside the bounds of decorum, though he is not currently pursuing an issue as Keeper against this, he does support Styx’s effort.
Anyways, onto the support which has been loaned thus far:
Status Loaned
To Luthias:
Karnovitch of Vienna loans Forthright
Fat Toni of Chicago loans Personable
Draconis of Salish Sea loans Enlightened
Emelian loans Dedicated
Grizz loans Warrior
David Price loans Useful
To Styx:
Moira loans Loyal
Tomadaius loans Reliable
Gayorg loans Skilled
Magdalena loans Devoted
Mad Tomloans Savvy
Sarah Smith loans Persistent
Please Note: The final tally of support and standing will be determined on 10/12/2013
If you are choosing to lend support to either candidate and do not see your name on this list, please contact the Harpy or Lesser Harpy.
On a side note, the existence of video showing Elysium, and in fact recording conversation within Elysium, and showing Styx in all his Nosferatu glory, leads me to wonder entirely different things unrelated to this status dispute. I’ve made some inquiries of the Prince on that, more to follow.
First, the relative levels of standing.
Primogen Styx is known as Relentless, Discerning, Cunning, Loyal, and Revered
Warmaster Luthias is known as Brave, Defender, Witch-Hunter, Feared and Truculent
The particular incident in question occurred on the night of Styx’s arrival within this domain.
According to Styx, in Tiki Tom’s Elysium Luthias threatened to cut his head off, that no one could do anything about it, and lobbied accusations of infernalism.
Luthias claims that he did indeed threaten Styx, who at the time had not yet been Acknowledged in the domain by then Prince Dario, but that he made no accusations of infernalism. Luthias challenged Styx to a duel saying that this is a traditional means of resolving dispute. I am not sure what traditions Luthias is citing, but it is not Camarilla traditions. Styx turned down the duel, and mentioned that he would not want to appoint a champion to be hurt by Luthias’s combat prowess, that he would prefer to resolve this dispute with status.
Harpy Aristat has agreed that this is a matter of a status dispute between the two individuals.
Complicating this issue is the difficulties between then Prince Dario and clan Nosferatu. As the Praxis seized by Hephaestus occurred, that would imply that Dario’s decisions in that time against clan Nosferatu were incorrect. According to Luthias, he had the Right of Destruction against unacknowledged kindred from Prince Dario, or perhaps just against Styx, I don’t have specific details on that.
A further complication is that there appears to be a history between Luthias and Styx. The last time that Styx was in the domain, according to what I have heard, Luthias and Kira Langston took him, tortured him, and sent him out of the domain. Complicating that matter at the time were reported threats by Styx against Kira, and some concerns over some personal feeding habits of Styx.
I have seen video evidence provided by Mad Tom, through the Nosferatu Moira, showing Styx and Luthias within Elysium. This evidence shows Luthias say something to the nature of “As a witch-hunter, I have to consider the possibility that anyone could be an Infernalist. Even you could be an Infernalist.” Then the threat of cutting off Styx’s head was made. I’ll let people judge for themselves if this is truly an accusation of infernalism, or just bravado.
But, as I have heard opinion from Mad Tom, such a threat made in Elysium is outside the bounds of decorum, though he is not currently pursuing an issue as Keeper against this, he does support Styx’s effort.
Anyways, onto the support which has been loaned thus far:
Status Loaned
To Luthias:
Karnovitch of Vienna loans Forthright
Fat Toni of Chicago loans Personable
Draconis of Salish Sea loans Enlightened
Emelian loans Dedicated
Grizz loans Warrior
David Price loans Useful
To Styx:
Moira loans Loyal
Tomadaius loans Reliable
Gayorg loans Skilled
Magdalena loans Devoted
Mad Tomloans Savvy
Sarah Smith loans Persistent
Please Note: The final tally of support and standing will be determined on 10/12/2013
If you are choosing to lend support to either candidate and do not see your name on this list, please contact the Harpy or Lesser Harpy.
On a side note, the existence of video showing Elysium, and in fact recording conversation within Elysium, and showing Styx in all his Nosferatu glory, leads me to wonder entirely different things unrelated to this status dispute. I’ve made some inquiries of the Prince on that, more to follow.